Fox News Anchor Harris Faulkner Presses Donald Trump On Use Of Phrase “When The Looting Starts, The Shooting Starts”
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In a conversation with President Donald Trump on Thursday, Fox News' Harris Faulkner asked him about his response to protests and riots in Minneapolis after George Floyd's death.
"Any difficulty and we'll take control, but when the looting begins, the shootings begin," Trump wrote on May 28 on Twitter.
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Reporters quickly pointed to the source of the sentence, used in 1967 by Miami's Mayor Walter E. Headley, who, according to historians, had a history of racist bigotry. Twitter has tagged Trump's tweet for violating the "glorifying violence" rules.
In the interview that was conducted during the President's trip to Dallas, Faulkner said, "I'm Harris on TV, but I'm a black woman. I'm a mother. And you know ... and you talked about it, but we haven't seen you come out and in this case this consolation. And the tweets: "When the looting starts, the gunfire starts." Why these words?
Trump replied, "So that's an expression I've heard over the years and ..."
"Do you know where it comes from?" Thrown in Faulkner.
"I think Philadelphia - the Mayor of Philadelphia," said Trump.
Then Faulkner said: "No. It dates from 1967. I was around 18 months old at the time. ... But it was from the chief of police in Miami. He went through hard and meant what he said. And he said, "I don't care if it looks like I'm brutal. When the looting starts, the shots start."
She added, "That scared a lot of people when you tweeted it."
Trump replied, "Well, it comes from a very tough mayor who may have been a police commissioner at the time, but I think the Mayor of Philadelphia named Frank Rizzo. And it had such an expression, but I might have heard it once - I think it has been used a lot. "
He added: "It means two things - very different things. One is, if there is looting, there will likely be gunfire, and that is not a threat, it is really just a fact, because that is exactly what is happening. And the other thing is, when looted, there is shooting. They have very different meanings. "
Faulkner also asked Trump for another expression that was used in the late 1960s - that of "law and order." Richard Nixon used the term in his presidential campaign in 1968.
"We also have to keep our police and law enforcement agencies strong," Trump said. "You have to do it right. They must be trained appropriately. ... The sad thing is that they are very professional. But if you see such an event with more than eight minutes of horror, it really is eight minutes of horror. It's a shame.
"And then people start saying, are all the cops like that? They do not know. Maybe they don't think about it that much. It makes no difference. The fact is that they start saying, "Well, the police are like that."
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